Circumcision ban talk raises hackles of SoCal congressman

I am delightede to see someone taking steps against ths proposed ban. It is entirely against peoples faiths and parental rights to ban circumcision.

How ironic that a Jewish congressman is the one who ironically opposes something that challenges his faith in the slightest way…so much for being objective I guess. Nowhere in the First Amendment does it say that people have the right to cut on someone eles’s body in the name of God…that violates the first Amendment. Reynolds v US also says that the government does have the right to regulate particular religious practices if they violate federal laws. Since it’s a federal offense to cut on the genitals of a girl, even for religious reasons, then under the 14th amendment’s equal protection clause then males are guaranteed that same right.

I’m Jewish, but just to ask everyone, why is it that this seems like congressman Sherman feels like Jews are above the law? Remember when Muslims tried to quote Sharia law in Oklahoma court cases? Didn’t work. The same thing applies here…the Jewish Torah has no fundamental place in written American law under the seperation of church and state, so the government is under no obligation to even allow circumcision, if they’ve already found probable cause to ban the procedure for another gender.

When Muslims are circumcised, they remove the clitoral hood, which is identical to the male foreskin. If this is illegal to do to a woman, even for Allah or to make her cleaner, then under the law it’s also a crime to do this to a boy…and yes, even if you’re Jewish. This doesn’t make the government anti-Semetic…Reynolds v US, they can ban a practice all they want to.

He proved beyond a shadow of a doubt in his postings last week that he is anti-Semitic and he clearly has nothing better in his life to do than come on this site to excoriate Jews. Just let him stew with his herpes for which he blames a rabbi. Maybe it was actually caused by his consented intimacy with a rabbit and well, he is clearly rather confused…

Thanks again for dropping by to slander me once again. Even though most Jews support the circumcision ban and are preparing to move forward, you can continue to bash me all you want. Americans acknowledge that this is an outdated form of child abuse, and even your own people have begun to question the practice.

Continue to bash me all you want, but the truth is out there, and your opinion doesn’t really matter. The rest of the country knows that this is an outdated unneccessary ritual, and the government has every right to intervene when people like you think it’s your right to sexually abuse your children’s genitals because you think God told you to. Never mind that most Jews don’t even believe that the Torah is the original word of God, so why should we believe that he told us to cut something he gave us? You make no sense, but thanks for playing! Whenever you want to leave and stop whining about anti-Semetism when that’s never been the case, the rest of the readers here, and the world, will thank you.

By the way, attacking someones sexuality is one thing, but now you have a fetish with cutting babies and now zoophilia? Maybe it is you who is the one who is rather confused…or just plain perverted.

By the way, Dan keeps trying to call me anti-Semetic because I don’t believe in what he does…that doesn’t make me anti-Semetic…I’m Jewish, I don’t hate all Jews just because some of them do wierd things to their children’s genitals…just people like you!

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Circumcision/Pages/Why-is-it-necessary.aspx

Paraphimosis is a medical emergency where the foreskin is pulled back underneath the tip of the penis, becomes trapped and cannot be returned to its original position.
Paraphimosis sometimes arises as a complication of a medical procedure that involves pushing back the foreskin for a prolonged period of time. Such procedures include:
a penile examination
a cystoscopy – a medical procedure where a thin, flexible tube (catheter) with a camera on the end is inserted through the urethra and up into the bladder (the urethra is the tube that runs from the penis to the bladder and through which urine passes out of the body)

urinary catheterisation – a procedure in which a catheter is inserted into the urethra and up into the bladder to drain urine out of the bladder.

Paraphimosis causes a band of swelling to develop around the penis, which can block the blood supply. Left untreated, the lack of a blood supply will mean that the tissue of the penis will begin to die (gangrene).

Circumcision is usually only required in rare cases when medication and surgery fail. Occasionally, circumcision may be recommended if someone has repeated episodes of paraphimosis.

Balanoposthitis is an infection of the foreskin, usually by bacteria. It is a fairly common childhood infection that affects an estimated 1% of boys.
Symptoms of balanoposthitis include:
pain when urinating
a discharge of the pus from the penis inflammation of the shaft of the penis

Balanoposthitis can be successfully treated using antibiotics. Most boys do not have further infections. Circumcision is usually recommended only if a boy has repeated infections.
Urinary tract infections

A urinary tract infection (UTI) is an infection of the urinary system. The urinary system is made up of the kidneys, the ureters (the tubes that carry urine from the kidneys to the bladder), the bladder and the urethra.

UTIs are a common infection in young boys. About 4% of boys have at least one UTI before they are 16.
Research has found that circumcised boys are 10-14 times less likely to catch a UTI than uncircumcised boys. This is because many UTIs are thought to be caused by bacteria that gather inside the foreskin before spreading to the urinary system.

Most UTIs are mild and do not cause serious damage, so circumcision is usually only recommended when there is a pre-existing risk factor that increases the likelihood of the boy having repeated UTIs. Repeated UTIs can cause kidney damage.
An example of a pre-existing risk factor is a birth defect that causes urine to leak back up into the kidney. This carries the risk of bacteria spreading from the foreskin, through the urine, and infecting the kidney. In such circumstances, circumcision may be recommended.

Circumcision is known to reduce the risk of catching three sexually transmitted infections. HIV
syphilis
chancroid

Research in Africa found that heterosexual circumcised men are 38-66% less likely to contract HIV than uncircumcised men.
It is thought that the foreskin contains special cells that attract the cells of the HIV virus. This means that uncircumcised men who have vaginal sex with a HIV positive woman are more likely to develop the infection.

Circumcision is known to reduce the risk of a man getting syphilis and chancroid. This is thought to be due to two reasons:
the foreskin may provide a warm, moist environment, which allows the syphilis and chancroid bacteria to grow and multiply
the foreskin often sustains tiny cuts (micro-abrasions) during sexual intercourse, which allow the bacteria to pass into the bloodstream.
It is estimated that uncircumcised men are twice as likely to get syphilis, and 10 times as likely to get chancroid.
However, it should be stressed that circumcision is nowhere near as effective as condoms in preventing STIs. If used correctly, condoms are 98% effective in preventing STIs.

Cancer of the penis—Research has shown the men who are circumcised during childhood are 3-4 times less likely to develop cancer of the penis (penile cancer) than men who are uncircumcised. This is because many cases of penile cancer develop in the foreskin.
Cancer of the penis is a very rare cancer. On average, 400 new cases are diagnosed each year in the UK. It would therefore be very difficult to justify routine circumcision as a preventative method for penile cancer.
However, there may be some rare cases where a person has multiple risk factors, such as a family history of penile cancer and a weakened immune system. In such cases, circumcision is recommended as a preventative measure.

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http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Circumcision/Pages/Why-is-it-necessary.aspx
PARAPHIMOSIS: circumcision may be recommended if someone has repeated episodes of paraphimosis.
BALANOPOSTHITIS is an infection of the foreskin, usually by bacteria. It is a fairly common childhood infection that affects an estimated 1% of boys.
 Symptoms of balanoposthitis include: 
pain when urinating, a discharge of the pus from the penis inflammation of the shaft of the penis
Balanoposthitis can be successfully treated using antibiotics. Most boys do not have further infections. Circumcision is usually recommended only if a boy has repeated infections.
URINARY TRACT INFECTIONS: A urinary tract infection (UTI) is an infection of the urinary system. The urinary system is made up of the kidneys, the ureters (the tubes that carry urine from the kidneys to the bladder), the bladder and the urethra.
UTIs are a common infection in young boys. About 4% of boys have at least one UTI before they are 16.
 Research has found that circumcised boys are 10-14 times less likely to catch a UTI than uncircumcised boys. This is because many UTIs are thought to be caused by bacteria that gather inside the foreskin before spreading to the urinary system.
Most UTIs are mild and do not cause serious damage, so circumcision is usually only recommended when there is a pre-existing risk factor that increases the likelihood of the boy having repeated UTIs. Repeated UTIs can cause kidney damage.
 An example of a pre-existing risk factor is a birth defect that causes urine to leak back up into the kidney. This carries the risk of bacteria spreading from the foreskin, through the urine, and infecting the kidney. In such circumstances, circumcision may be recommended.
CIRCUMCISION IS KNOWN TO REDUCE THE RISK OF CATCHING THREE SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED INFECTIONS: HIV, 
SYPHILIS, AND CHANCROID.
Research in Africa found that heterosexual circumcised men are 38-66% less likely to contract HIV than uncircumcised men.
 It is thought that the foreskin contains special cells that attract the cells of the HIV virus. This means that uncircumcised men who have vaginal sex with a HIV positive woman are more likely to develop the infection.
Circumcision is known to reduce the risk of a man getting syphilis and chancroid. This is thought to be due to two reasons:
the foreskin may provide a warm, moist environment, which allows the syphilis and chancroid bacteria to grow and multiply
the foreskin often sustains tiny cuts (micro-abrasions) during sexual intercourse, which allow the bacteria to pass into the bloodstream. 
It is estimated that uncircumcised men are twice as likely to get syphilis, and 10 times as likely to get chancroid.
 However, it should be stressed that circumcision is nowhere near as effective as condoms in preventing STIs. If used correctly, condoms are 98% effective in preventing STIs.
CANCER OF THE PENIS—Research has shown the men who are circumcised during childhood are 3-4 times less likely to develop cancer of the penis (penile cancer) than men who are uncircumcised. This is because many cases of penile cancer develop in the foreskin.
 Cancer of the penis is a very rare cancer. On average, 400 new cases are diagnosed each year in the UK. It would therefore be very difficult to justify routine circumcision as a preventative method for penile cancer. 
However, there may be some rare cases where a person has multiple risk factors, such as a family history of penile cancer and a weakened immune system. In such cases, circumcision is recommended as a preventative measure.

Posting more lies about urinary tract infections, like men are somehow walking diseases because of God’s own creation. Timeless, you’re an idiot, plain and simple. Women have more urinary tract infections than men do because of poor hygiene, and it’s not because they were created in God’s own image. You are an idiot if you think that having a foreskin causes you to have a urinary tract infection.

Cancer of the penis is the rarest form of cancer around…women get more breast cancer and cervical cancer then men get penile cancer…I suggest masectomies first before advocating circumcision as any type of cancer prevention.

The problems with the foreskin happen with less than 1% of men 1%... you said it yourself Timeless, so why should we circumcise the rest of society for problems that only affect 1% 15% of baby girls get labial adhesions that need corrective surgery, so I suggest girls get labiaplasties at birth. All of these conditions you mention are very rare, and are easily treated with medications, not surgery. Women get more vaginal problems than men get penile problems, so again, timeless, you’re grasping at nothing here.

Circumcision does nothing for any HIV or STD prevention and that has been proven by statistics by our own country. We have the highest circumcision rate and the highest number of circumcised adult males, as well as the highest STD infection rate of any developed nation, and you’re trying to tell me that circumcision has something to do with STD prevntion? Keep dreaming buddy.

No, the health claims were just another health scare to try to get parents to spend more money. This has nothing to do with health, and the Jews know this…I’m a Jew and I know it, here’s how I know. Only when circumcision is challenged to the Jews EVER bring up any health claims, when before, it was about a “covenant with God” (or really, according to Rabbi Maimonides, to curb the animalistic implulses of Jewish men). The health claims are just as bogus as your covenant with God, as it wasn’t even a part of God’s original covenant…it was about an animal sacrifice and a land donation, not a baby’s penis. Where the Jews got this from I’ll never know, but it’s probably a reason why the REST of society is waking up and seeing it as the sick practice it is.

So yes Timeless, continue to copy and paste the dozens of false health claims that were made to keep your “covenant” going in a medical setting, while the rest of us in the 21st century are using our brains and actual science, not religious voo-doo.

If you want to keep making up health claims to make yourself feel better for being molested as a child, that’s fine. The rest of us know better. And before you try and say this is “anti-Semetic” and is against the first amendment, I will happily cite Reynolds v. United States once again, that says that the United States government can and WILL intervene on behalf of religious practices if they impede on the law, which this does.

Your bogus health claims are just another long string of anti-Christian and anti-American propaganda forced upon American men’s genitals by the Jews. The rest of the world is waking up to your sick religious fetish and are beginning to realize that circumcision is not only bogus, but damaging.

Don’t believe me? A study released 5 days ago in Denmark proves that circumcision is damaging, and is the cause of all of our sexual problems. The report proved (with great statistics) that “Circumcision was associated with frequent orgasm difficulties in Danish men and with a range of frequent sexual difficulties in women, notably orgasm difficulties, dyspareunia and a sense of incomplete sexual needs fulfilment. Thorough examination of these matters in areas where male circumcision is more common is warranted.”

Male circumcision and sexual function in men and women: a survey-based, cross-sectional study in Denmark.
Frisch M, Lindholm M, Grønbæk M.
SourceDepartment of Epidemiology Research, Statens Serum Institut, DK-2300 Copenhagen S, Denmark and National Institute of Public Health, DK-1353 Copenhagen K, Denmark.

Still don’t believe me and want to quote your precious little Torah or more bogus health claims? The United States comprises of 1.5% of the world’s population, yet we consume 46% of the worlds total Viagra supply. Is there a coincidence that when you circumcise a boy, he loses 67% of the total sexual nerves in his penis, we have the highest rate of circumcsion than any other developed nation as WELL as the highest number of Viagra prescriptions?

You tell me. This circumcision thing is bogus. All of you supporting it are nothing but blind puppets who do nothing but copy and paste the same medical crap that’s been debunked time and time again, when the real studies that prove the harm can’t be refuted.

You posted the greatest thing when you copied and pasted the same crap other pro-circ freaks do, and I love it when you contradict yourself…

“However, it should be stressed that circumcision is nowhere near as effective as condoms in preventing STIs. If used correctly, condoms are 98% effective in preventing STIs.”

Plus, seeing that all of the studies were either stopped early, or were performed with far less than perfect standards, it becomes clear that all of these supposed great studies for circumcision and STD’s were done by people who want to prove that circumcision does anything, to help justify the practice. That’s what this is about, to make yourself feel better to justify it, so it makes violating a child’s penis and his rights some what better. Many of the studies failed with the control group who were circumcised, who ended up getting HIV faster than those who weren’t, failed to show true correlations, or in some studies, it proved
the exact opposite, and in many parts of Africa, the circumcised men have higher rates of HIV than those who aren’t!

The chance of someone getting HIV has nothing to do with whether or not you’re circumcised, and if you idiots can’t see that, i’m sorry. Practicing safe sex, abstinence, or knowing who you’re going to have sex with is what prevents HIV, not cutting off part of what God gave you.

Keep grasping at straws to keep trying to justify child abuse….it’s not working any more.

Ignore this anti-Semitic moron. He has proven both his obsession with his own phallus and his hatred of Jews. So don’t give this infant the attention he craves by responding to him…

Hi Dan! I’m glad the only thing you can post is insults, and nothing of true value, It shows how all you can do is whine and call me anti-Semetic, and then shows that you are the true ignorant person not me.

If there’s one thing we can agree on according to Dan, is that I’m anti-Semetic, and he’s a pedophile. That’s really the only thing we can agree on, because after all, Dan the one interested in, and supporting the cutting of children’s genitalia, not me.

P.S. Timeless isn’t even a real Jew, and I don’t even think you are. Real Jews don’t bring up the “medical” aspects of circumcision because there ARE none when it gomes to Judaism. The whole reason circumcision exists is because of the “blood covenenat” given to us by a freak Rabbi, not because we were so smart we knew about HIV thousands of years ago. If you’re going to stick with an argument, at least be consistent. Every time Dan or anyone eles brings this up, first it’s a “sacred covenant” and then when I kindly debunk that, suddenly it’s a major health claim. All you’ve done is jump from one disproven justification to another, and when you don’t agree with the facts that contradict your perfect little religion in your perfect little world, I’m anti-Semetic. I swear, that’s the BEST you can come up with Dan. You can’t agree with the truth, so I’m anti-Semetic.

Ok. Pedophile. You’ve still lost the argument because all you can do is call me anti-Semetic and ignorant. Look up the word ignorant, and you’ll probably see a picture of yourself. Ignorant people are the ones who are blind to the truth, and since the rest of the world has caught up with the times and is ready to ban this outdated form of child abuse, it is you Dan, who is ignorant, not me.

Hey, MisterEquality, I’d like to know where you get all your ‘facts’ from…I’ll quote them for you:
“When Muslims are circumcised, they remove the clitoral hood, which is identical to the male foreskin”
First of all, it’s not mentioned in the Koran as an obligation for Muslims, be it male circumcision or (this is vastly different…) Female Genital Cutting <-might want to look that up. Secondly the clitoral hood is not IDENTICAL to the foreskin, or it would BE a FORESKIN. It is HOMOLOGOUS to the foreskin in males, not identical, might as well say that ovaries are identical to testicles. I suggest you look up Homology.

“Even though most Jews support the circumcision ban and are preparing to move forward”
“Never mind that most Jews don’t even believe that the Torah is the original word of God”
Yeah, where did you come up with that? Did you do some world-wide poll amongst all Jews to come up with those two ‘facts’?

“The rest of the country knows that this is an outdated unnecessary ritual, and the government has every right to intervene when people like you think it’s your right to sexually abuse your children’s genitals because you think God told you to”
“Pedophile”
“since the rest of the world has caught up with the times and is ready to ban this outdated form of child abuse”
You know that there are people who get there baby boys circumcised without any connection to religion, right? Again, where are you sources to these all encompassing statements?
Since when is this operation sexual/child abuse? Does the person doing it get off doing the procedure? Or were they just feeling annoyed that the kid was crying so they thought, hmm, let’s circumcise the little bastard..? It has nothing to do with sexuality, or pedophilia, or child abuse.

I would strongly suggest you do some proper research into these subjects, before stating ideas you have or have heard of as hard facts.

I now understand where you get your pedophilia idea from. I read your comments on the “Groups blast anti-circumcision comic book as anti-Semitic” page. What apparently happened with your circumcised penis; “Thanks to the sick pedophile Rabbi that gave me my “covenant”, I contracted herpes after he went down on me, which is supposedly some other great Jewish tradition. My penile shaft is also scarred and bent…”, is the Metzitzah, which was (this is my opinion, don’t take this as me stating ‘facts’) probably done because saliva has wound healing properties.
Today, this has been connected with the transfer of various diseases and has become controversial and many support the usage of a glass tube, including the Rabbinical Council of America, which is the largest group of Modern Orthodox rabbis in America.
Anyway, he didn’t ‘go down on you’, it’s not some deviant sexual perversion, it is/was part of the procedure. You were unlucky and the mohel was infected, you were not the target of a child molester, much in the same way someone who contracts an infection after an operation has not been attacked by his surgeon. You might as well call all gynecologists perverts as say that mohelim are all pedophiles.

Yet again, I must ask, where do you get your facts from? I’ve read more of your comments, including those on the “Lawsuit aims to axe circumcision bill from S.F. ballot” article.

I’ll quote these twice, once now again later in this comment, due to the two-fold problematic nature of your comments:
“it becomes clear that all of these supposed great studies for circumcision and STD’s were done by people who want to prove that circumcision does anything, to help justify the practice”
“Most of the doctors are Jewish, who say that even though the medical claims don’t warrant routine circumcision, parents should still take into account religion and culture…or better yet, JEWISH relgion and culture. 4 of the 7 doctors on this task force are Jewish, so it’s not suprising that Jewish doctors are telling the rest of America that it’s ok to adhere to THEIR beliefs”
“Your bogus health claims are just another long string of anti-Christian and anti-American propaganda forced upon American men’s genitals by the Jews”

Every time somebody brings up the health benefits that studies have shown circumcision provides, you shoot them down as lies. But a casual search on Google for “circumcision protection from HIV” which brings pages upon pages of websites showing the results of these studies. Said results are that circumcision provides protection from contracting HIV. The studies DO NOT state that circumcision makes on invulnerable to diseases, as you yourself quoted “You posted the greatest thing when you copied and pasted the same crap other pro-circ freaks do, and I love it when you contradict yourself…

“However, it should be stressed that circumcision is nowhere near as effective as condoms in preventing STIs. If used correctly, condoms are 98% effective in preventing STIs.” ” You used this as the basis for another attack on the studies, though I fail to see how this shows they’re all flawed studies conducted in order to bolster pro-circumcision activists.

“If circumcision really did prevent HIV, than the United States, which is the most circumcised country of any developed nation, would have less instances of HIV, yet we have the HIGHEST HIV rate than any other developed nation”

Again, you bring no related studies as evidence to your statement. You only state that since one thing is so, that America has the highest HIV rate amongst developed nations and at the same time has the most circumcised males amongst said nations, it must be that circumcision plays no role whatsoever in protecting against HIV. As stated, circumcision is not proof against infection, it but LOWERS the LIKELIHOOD of being infected with the disease. Thus, my answer to your statement as to the relation between the high rates of circumcision/HIV in America must be this; Many American men, circumcised or not, have unprotected sex with HIV carriers, leading to them becoming infected themselves. Those men who have unprotected sex with HIV positive women and do not contract the virus are lucky, however the likelihood is that if they continue doing so, they WILL be infected with HIV, circumcised or not. Therefore, without correlating studies to back your statement up, one must disregard it solely as your misguided opinion and not fact.

You blast people for quoting these studies and totally disregard them (the studies) as part of a (Jewish) conspiracy bent on promoting the ‘barbaric’ male circumcision. You then bemoan people for “pulling the Antisemitism card” and calling you antisemitic:
@Dan Spitzer: “If thr BEST you can come up with is “anti-Semetic” to pages of documented legal and medical evidence EVERY single time, then you might as well just remove this site from your bookmarks, because you’re going to LOSE every single time”
Do these sayings of yours not bring to mind other supposed Jewish conspiracies bend on world domination such as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Do you not see how these comments might lead one to brand you antisemitic? Regardless of your claimed Jewishness?

Re-quoted earlier sayings:
“it becomes clear that all of these supposed great studies for circumcision and STD’s were done by people who want to prove that circumcision does anything, to help justify the practice”
“Most of the doctors are Jewish, who say that even though the medical claims don’t warrant routine circumcision, parents should still take into account religion and culture…or better yet, JEWISH relgion and culture. 4 of the 7 doctors on this task force are Jewish, so it’s not suprising that Jewish doctors are telling the rest of America that it’s ok to adhere to THEIR beliefs”
“Your bogus health claims are just another long string of anti-Christian and anti-American propaganda forced upon American men’s genitals by the Jews”

And finally:
“Never mind that most Jews don’t even believe that the Torah is the original word of God”
Where is your source for this tidbit?

No one has rights to oppose such a ban ,it’s unconstitutional and against one’s personal faith. We are not in Nazi era of Hitler.
Those who propose the bans must be ashamed , They are anti semitic pigs .  We should sue them and take this to supreme court and have em’ pay for such proposal .
SHAME ON THEM.
They should not forget who they’re fooling with . We are Jews and proud. We have the means and money to crush you .
This has been in our tradition for 5000 years and will be there for 5000 more years. No one has the right to propose such a ban . It’s agains God will. DO WE TELL THE CHRISTIANS WHAT TO DO ? MInd your own business and let us be or you will see how we will succeed lawfully to put this shameful proposal to rest and sue you and make you suffer. You are messing with the God Chosen people . Go read yoUR BIBLES YOU HYPOCRITICAL COWARDS WHO PROPOSE THIS SHAMEFUL BAN .